book. I don't have
any stake in it other than I figure if you came here you might be looking for a
way to knock off the drinking plus state your case against AA. Or not.I abhor this group of cultist manipulators. Firstly, can I say that after being forced to meetings, I had to liberate myself after three weeks. It was either that or becoming freaking insane. Those so called "Elders", or old time members are fucking evil zealots, unhappy specimens, normally of the political left, who try to ram their bullshit theories of powerlessness and disease down others throats. The old fuckers just don't get it. For fuck sake, THEY are the hopeless ground feeders of society. By they way, I have been had another diagnosis and I am NOT and alcoholic! The AA members are the dysfunctional bums of society! They do nothing about fucking man about the failures of their meaningless existences. I don't want to hear how hopeless you cunts have been. Its their own fucking fault they have had all the shit happen to them. They should stop having a chip on their shoulder. You people should leave the rest of us alone and ORGANIZE A MASS AA MEMBER SUICIDE in honour of that psychotic fucker you worship, Bill W, how created this despicable organization!! Some of the members say they have been sober for 30 years. BULL FUCKING SHIT!! I bet half of you apathetic fuckwads have a sneaky drink every night! Why do the pricks keep going along then if they are so successful? And no, since I have left the "program" I have not ended up in Prison or killed myself like you said would happen if I "didn't work the program" I wish the AA members would all shove a copy of the big book up the arrogant, self-righteous puckers!!!
Having been through 'rehab' I am angry at the complete ineffectiveness of it. I am not an addict or an alcoholic, I am me, and I am tired of being labeled and have that over my head from the rest of my life because I had an extremely stressful year and I drank too much. It really is my business what I do with my body and if I want to hurt myself that's my business fuck you. Rehab and group therapy does not work and is a waste of time and money I, AA is bullshit, it doesn't work, and group therapy only made me realize that there are a lot of people way more fucked up then me, but it didn't help me at all, in fact, the whole process just made me what do drink more! I am sorry I went through the process and I am pissed off that now I have this damn label that no one will see past and I didn't get better from it at all, I used other sources, and its a business its run like a factory with no heart, no soul, and its expensive and can I mention it again totally ineffective.
These fuckers are sick. There is no doubt in my mind that they have diseased minds. And its these parasitic Baby-boomer, yuppie, sellouts, that passively conform to the ways of old and evil. Puritans and Hedonists. The puritan would not know who he/she is without judging the hedonist, and the hedonist would not know who he/she is without blaming the puritan. All this shit comes down to ego. Most individuals who choose to go to AA have identified half their lives with" I love my beer" then make some half assed decisions when drunk and feel guilty and get sent (by the courts) or themselves to AA. Where they now proclaim that "I don't drink alcohol". do you see it ???We went from one extreme view to the opposite extreme view. If the primary source of all human suffering is this "I" thought and all the attachments this "I" attaches to then why detach from one egoic identity to another. Another thing, an individual does not gain worthiness by not ingesting or ingesting something, you get it by worthwhile acts. Any fuckin American can go to any 7-11 or "convenience store" purchase a multitude of different addictive substances such as caffeine, alcohol, refined white sugar, nicotine, porno mags, rolling papers, and they offer gambling before you leave the fuckin place. This country is attached to "something out there" to make everything better. And if you were raised religious your double-fucked cause it was instilled in you your whole upbringing that you are not whole and complete without the acceptance and approval of some spooky father figure in the clouds. This is wrong. You are perfect complete and whole just the way you are, anyone who says different is full of shit.My advice, be responsible for all of your decisions in life, trace back all the bullshit that has been programmed into your head through religion, government, the media and any source of outside information. Look at the facts, objective thinking only when dealing with matters of survival, suspend subjective thinking. And if you really want to be free of the diseased mind of America---Find out #1 What is good and bad. And #2 what is taxable and what is not. When you understand the answers to these two questions, add self-interest to the equation and the attachments of this Selfish, Greedy, Materialistic culture will no longer enslave you. One more thing that --"I"-- thought is not to be despised, be grateful that its there cause now you can see what is beyond all attachment to separate identity.
I have been with my boyfriend for a great six months. Unfortunately, he is a member of the cult of AA. At first it wasnt so bad. At first if he went to one or two meetings a week and did not drink, life was wonderful. Then his sober friends started telling him that weekends with me at hurting him. Then he needed to spend more time with his pastor. Now its if he spends a weekend with me instead of seven days of religious meetings, he will not only start drinking again, but will kill him self by binge drinking. Since the fat fk wont stop eating a box of cookies until he swallows each crumb, clearly the prob is with him. He has no self control. F AA to preach that it is me, and that I am the problem. To each AA member: Dear Mr and Mrs Tom Cruz, please drink your self into oblivean, at least till you see those aliens pop out of the volcanos. Drink the Koolaid. Psycho cult freaks!!!!!
A.A. sucks I tried their way but it turns out I was depressed. Sorry A.A. but your people are not counselers or doctors. Save the diagnostics for someone who went to school. 2 years of my life wasted and all I wanted to do was have a good time, and when I did no one person wanted anything to do with me!
I did an internet search "fuck AA" and found this site, it's nice to see there are people out there with a drinking problem that think AA is full of brainwashed D-bags that walkaround preaching like self proclaimed profits. They talk of alcoholism as a disease, thats bullshit, the reason why people drink I believe is because of underlying undiagnosed physiological disorders. The whole program is centered on the fact that you have to team up with a power greater than yourself to succeed in recovery. Now do you really think a higher power gives a flying fuck if you need to drink to get through your day? He or she would probably ask why you're such a pussy! The thing that pisses me off the most is that every meeting that I have ever been to there is always some dickhead that says, oh my life was so shitty before now it is great after being sober for a short period of time, and I think oh just like that? really? Which brings me to another point I would like to stress. I believe that a certain percentage of people in AA are so successful and happy with long bouts of sobriety because they are fucking phonies. Yeah bogus.. you know in rehab I actually overhead someone say that they thought they were an alcoholic because they drank every weekend WTF. These are great percentages of people who sponser, speak, and give hope to people who are really fucked up like me. To add insult to injury these people are the first to walk out on you, and place judgment when relapse occurs. You know some people buy into this shit, and you know what I'm happy for them, but there are other angles to look at other that reading the 'big book' and asking a greater power to help you stop drinking. Thank you for listening....FUCK AA!!
I feel betrayed by AA. I went for ten years, bought into all the crap, got brainwashed and stupid, and they were wrong!
I have had depression since I was eight. My first bout of depression in AA was at two years. I couldn't leave the house. This current bout has been going on for almost four years. When I reached out in AA, all I got was, "keep coming back" or "this too shall pass." The people I'd trusted for ten years left me behind when things started to suck and I couldn't testify to the grandeur of AA. They pulled a bait-and-switch. Not one person came up to me after a meeting where I talked about the tremendous pain I was in. Not even at my 'home group'. When I stopped going altogether, not one person called.
They told me my problem was that I was an alcoholic and that everything would be wonderful if I just didn't drink. You know what? I'm not an alcoholic! I can have a drink or two and leave it; no problem. My problem is that I have been depressed for years. So depressed that I can't bathe. So depressed that I've had multiple ECT treatments that didn't work either! The AA answer? You're the problem. If you could just (insert whatever BS phrase you want here) you would be "happy, joyous and free".
You know what? I worked the steps umpteen times, I sponsored people, I did service work. I still want to die!
Phonies all the way. AA spouts a bunch of platitudes and minimizes most of life while maximizing, even overstating, the effects of drinking. Oh, and a higher power? Doesn't f-ing care! Thank you very much. An 'HP' doesn't care if you're miserable, or if you drink or don't, or if you smoke or cuss or anything else! You should care!
AA taught me that I do not need to be angry any more. I am here because I am angry at AA.
People drink because they want to get drunk. People go to aa so they can make someone else responsible for their problems. Hey! if I have a disease and need help, maybee I wont have to work! Hey! if I get a sponsor and what they tell me doesnt work out, I can make my failure their fault. Hey! if I go to a meeting and hear a lame boaring talk maybee I can bum a couple of bucks or get laid. Fuck aa and all the loosers that go there. Especially the ones with fast cycling depression, bi-polar disorder, or some other form of "i am sick, please help me" BULLSHIT!
I went to AA and saw a bunch of dried up and used people spouting crap like "if you want what I have, you will do what I do" What a bunch of losers. The topic of the meeting was, when one door closes another opens. Seriously, are you guys so retarded that you cant face reality and talk like adults? Try this... When one situation ends, you may or may not find yourself available for another. What a bunch of self righteous Polly Anna crap. I can’t believe the courts send people there.
I got sent to AA by the courts for a drunk in public charge I got while leaving a friends wedding reception. I met a guy at the meeting who I dated. I got a venereal disease from him and then found out they call him "Newcomer-Fucker". Now I can't get my court card completed because I am afraid to go back. Someone told me that they gave me the nickname "Beef-Curtains" because I have large labia and am a bit heavy. How utterly humiliating, AA sucks, I will never go back.
I can't believe how ignorant people are when they're try and snub AA as a whole, from their own single idiotic point of view. For example if you were forced their that's of your own fault, everyone else is there on their own accord... for a good reason, it helps them stay sober. And if you don't want to hear what they have to say then don't fuck up in our society and be placed there. And to say AA should leave the rest of us alone.. sorry but the whole fellowship is based on attraction not promotion to keep anonymity.
For the person that says I don't want to have to be labled. It's for your own sake so that your -OH what do you know- NOT IN DENIAL. And oh I just had a bad year, well go out and try some more controlled drinking, and saying that the process made you want to drink more, well probably want to think about that statement. Find a higher power for christ sake.
Oh and whats this about AA fuckers are sick and theres no doubt that they have diseased minds. Almost sounds like you read out of the big book good job. The people are sick and it is a disease you jerk offs. And to say they are bums and do nothing worthy. Bet none of you have gone to every damn person you felt disgust for, or totally screwed you more then you did them. And say you are sorry without ever mentioning they're wrongs and asking them if there was anything they could do to make it up to them, and actually go through with what each of them asked. none of you. I couldn't believe the crap I have read.
To the selfish and jealous girlfriend, if the your guy needs to
do something everyweek to stop him from drunkinly beating you or to save his
life from catastrophe then let him fuckin save his life, what the fuck? And if
more then a couple of people say your crazy ass is almost driving him to drink
with your insistent nagging of AA then it is most definatly your stubbornly
pessimistic ways.
undiagnosed physiological disorders... mental disease. Tomato tomahto. Nuff
said. Oh and don't forget to judge, distrust, and doubt cause I'm sure you
really do know if they really have had a drink, when they've been stackin up
years of soberiety unlike your hopeless ungrateful punkass.
Sorry to the people who've had a long run with AA and say they couldn't solve their depression. AA isn't going to pump up your low serotonin get on an anti-depressant. what the fuck?
When door closes another opens.. ya I guess some people are just so closed minded they can't see this in their lives, try sending out some positive energy maybe your days won't suck so much. NEXT.
Girls.. more so newcomer girls, my my my, I don't get why you girls can't see it coming. Their are assholes inside AA just as well as there are assholes outside AA. Not AA's fault your not a good judge of character. In AA they're called predators you might better know them as "players" outside of AA. All in all either pick the winners or keep it in your thigh high skirt.
Wake the fuck up self rightous judgemental scum bags. Open your mind and maybe just maybe you'll learn something. God you ignorant fucks are annoying, shut the fuck up.
Im 16 and i went to rehab for they a fuckin year because i made bad choices and smoked alot of weed and partied a little too much. now here at this rehab they taught me the TWELVE STEPS OF ANAL ASS (AA) this rehab you get signed into and by law you cant leave and theres security at entrances. so of course i have to ADMIT i am powerless over my drinking if i want to move on in the program and than find a higher power and all this dumb fuckin shit, it is a straight up cult who thinks they are the fuckin shit and they claim that they cure people and save lives. its all a bunch of dumb physchotic fuck heads who have mentals problems and drink because of it. diabetes is a disease, cancer is a disease, there is no fuckin proven fact that alcoholism is a disease. they fuckin brainwashed me for a year in that place and now im starting to realize its all in my fuckin head and the choices i make. FUCK AA AND ALL YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS WHO THINK ALCOHOLISM IS A DISEASE!!!
I am so angry with this waste of time group, phony social circle and here's why...
Their "suggestions" promote repression of healthy natural emotion and the worst thing you can do in this twisted social circle jerk is to challenge their "program". If you do, you will be the recipient of all kinds of tear downs especially "mentally ill, crazy" and the like proported to be a 'deflation' of ego which they claim it's members need. There's a large difference between being humble and a large conglomerate of assholes trying to make you feel like a worm just because they have led a life of hell raising so they think they need to tear each other as well as themselves down at every given chance!
If you're angry about something, they'll say "you're not working the program" in order to brow beat one into conforming to their psychotic idea of what they think life is supposed to be like. Or they'll point out the obvious and say ," That's anger ". Well duh! Why, would anyone want to live like that? If someone wants to ingest alcohol they will, if they don't they don't have to. But don't go on telling naive uninformed people that if they don't do what these friggen signs with 'steps' on them that tower over these groups in almost every meeting place in the world. They go on telling these suckers that if they don't follow them they are doomed to various and sundry awful outcomes. By doing this, the person is subtly programmed to actually drink their brains out if they don't listen to their stupid remarks and quotes which are often totally contradictory and full of nonsense. And most importantly, their stupid advise often can not be demonstrated in actual personal experience. It just sounds good to say.
Then, if you really get rolling, it will be "suggested" that you go on ahead and make a list of every single person that ever did something wrong to you or caused you any grief or basically made you angry as hell. Yeah! Alright, as though that weren't infuriaing enough, later you will go apologize or "make amends" to these people to which you've been on the recieving end of their crap. That's where I draw the line. Nuts! Then they'll say your in "denial" or the "rebellious alcoholic" if you happen to call a spade a spade and put the finger on their stupidity and dare to take a stand against it by being an individual and not following the herd so that you can "get what they have" as they say. Whatever they have is not good, I don't want it and no thanks.
Furthermore, if one of them happens to upset anyone's day (usually by asshole behavior), well the psychos will often remind you that you are not responsible for anyone else's feelings and to let those people clean up the mess that was created by it. Or that you can't "control" how someone else feels so why care. Loosers!
And they say that they are "just telling it like it is" and "not sugar coating anything" as an excuse for being rude or even hostile. Ridiculous on it's face!!!
I have found better things to do with my time than be held hostage to some fuck head maniac talking about his pathetic "story" and lying about how awesome life is today, with little to no evidence presented. This group seems to just keep one another sick and encourage each other to top drama by any means nessesary up to and including complete exaggeration and even making up stories of things that never happened. They seem to be a bunch of sado-massochists that beat up on each other and themselves at the same time. They'll sit there before a group of people and call them selves names like stupid, sick etc... etc... etc... That, ironically is the only "truth" in anything they'll say.
The sponsors are the cruelest bunch of psychopaths as well. They become verbally abusive to their "sponsees" and directly to their faces too. They hammer your head with everything that goes wrong is "YOU". If you are happy, they'll say that you're not being "Honest" If you look good, they'll suspect that there is something, somewhere that must be wrong. And God forbid anyone work and have a life and basically have more productive things to do than to frequent a stupid meeting, which by the way often makes one more frustrated than before they even went to the dang thing! No, maybe I'm just avoiding your insanity, AA. Maybe, just maybe, I don't want to live like that. Perhaps you are paranoid that everyone, including myself is off on some bender just because you don't see my face around you people! They make me angry because they will approach you, if they happen to see you asking you if you're "alright". Yeah, I'm alright! Especially since I haven't been to one of your dumbass meetings. Furthermore, I will be much better once I am done talking to you and move on with my day. Screw you jerks and your cluster fuck.
In fact, right now as I was writing this one of it's members, in response to one of my friendly and gentle blow offs just replied that there was some kind of problem and that this "problem" was "me." To be more specific: Now they see that "money was the problem and not me" probably because I am busy working. The fucked up logic must be that if I earn money that somewhere still exists some kind of problem. Well welcome to life idiots! Everyone has some kind of problem. For instance, I still need to take out the garbage today. And you'd better believe I'm happy to be at work and yes money helps a ton. So By the way, I don't even drink and haven't in a decade. This was in response to a message I sent to them saying I was far too busy at work to get together. I could have said- "I don't have time to hang out and wail with you and bang myself over the head about imaginary and exaggerated problems."
They way they browbeat each other! Where do grown adults get off talking to other grown adults this way? Who knows, who cares. Something "wrong" with me? Like hell there is!
This group is hardly the glowing examples that appear in it's "Big Book."
I hate Alcoholics Anonymous. The best thing I ever did was to liberate myself from it's insanity. The very thing they try to get rid of is ironically the state which they encourage one another to stay stuck in for life. That is remaining sick. That's been my experience. I feel much better and am thriving since I have not been there.
I am more dissapointed than angry. I went on a AA chat line just for extra encouragement and this person Banana's lodgged on during the meeting looking for help. All those arrogant jerks were too busy posting their whinning messages as they held the floor to even help this poor 24yrs old Banana's person who scared about getting help and wanting a support group in their area...they totally ignored Banana's who was new to wanting recovery and went on and on about how shitty their day was and how they dropped their ice cream cone or some dumb crap like that. Well Banana's logged off and did God knows what..JERKS! Self center arrogant pieces of crap. I would have stopped my endless rambling and helped the kid! AA sucks get sober on your own folks! Only God can help you through it and a few good friends!
AA is a KILLING MACHINE. Fucked up hobo's with nothing better to do than drag each other through the mud. The "CHOSEN ONES" my ass. Congradulating themselves nightly on how they struggled through another day sucking the system dry while making excuses for not working. A good psychologist and the balls to say I'm not drinking anymore is all it takes. Fucking drains, system sucking drains. All the fucking money that goes into appeasing these helpless assholes is stomach turning. One AA asshole on the Facebook AA page said that most drunk driving accidents were caused by non-alcoholics. I couldn't believe the stupid twisted audacity of this freak. AAers love AA because it's a great place to meet other assholes with an inexhaustable supply of exciting ways to keep acting like assholes. Most of them look like shit fat with bad skin. Women that dress as though they're auditioning for a pole dancing job. DO THEY EVEN WORK? IS it too much to get a job and put a pittance back into the system they slurp from? These are the assholes that vote liberal by the way. Take, take, and take some more because they're so unique and miraculous. No accountability for these dumb, typical, fat, gossipping, arrogant, temper tantrum throwing, DANGEROUS people. AA has to be disbanded. I mean for cryin' out loud Heinrich Himmler was a member of the OXFORD GROUP and AA borrowed heavily from their dogma. Heinrich Fricking Himmler - how can they be so fricking stupid? If you ask them to investigate the origins of their god - Bill Wilson - they shut down much like a 3 year old being told to brush his teeth.
I found this quote that describes AA just nicely.
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly perposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." — Dresden James
You know what I've been doing for fun is finding AA websites and posting information on them from the Orange Papers plus adding my own slant. I've been real nice, real respectful, you know just presenting a different view, but the AAers are another story. They spewed venomious hate and tried to belittle me in every which way including that they felt sorry for me. Imagine being pittied by a welfare bum - too funny. I got my very first death threat because I wasn't towing the party line. It's funny as all get out - they can't stand it when you don't take the bait to get personally involved in their games. So I just present information in a factual manner then watch the fur fly - hahahahaha.
Anyway, I'm getting a headache. Going out for a run - something you won't see AAers doing.
For anyone wanting to kick drinking in the ass take a look at
Chris Prentiss
I went to about 10 meetings, the first few were all right and all of sudden I started to get really sweaty and anxious every time I would walk in the room, another common element was everybody had their heads bowed down, as if they were ashamed, ashamed to have given up s much,
I understand some people need help, but replacing one addiction with another is typical of an addict, I realised that a friend of mine was on her 12 step and found me at my lowest, convinced me I needed a meeting as I was hungover and crying cus my "casual lover" had left me, what the fuck did I expect, it was casual, so I went, got a sponsor, who never answered the phone but wanted me to call her everyday, holy fuck did i feel like a loser,
i don't work during the winters so i tend to drink a lot, decided that it was getting out of hand and was gonan take a break, who knew i needed AA, I didn't , now I have to somehow break it to the friend of mine stuck in the cult, and let the sponsor go, although she's already told me she doesn't care, wow,
I really don't wanna be in a cult and I am not an alcoholic,
No one is powerless. A power higher than you did not make you stop drinking. YOU DID. You created the illusion of a god in order not to take responsibility for your actions. It's not YOUR fault, it's GOD'S fault. Bullshit. You have serious unaddressed psychological problems and until they are addressed, you will remain in a seriously unhealthy mental state - the same state that drives you to drink or otherwise obfuscate your problems. Before it was drink, now it's god. You're still not dealing with the WHY you drink. You are not powerless. You have pain that you don't want to think about, so you drink. It's not an illness or a disease or an allergy - it's a bad habit you picked up and became emotionally and physically dependent on. It's not a physiological disease and AA will not make you better. You will sit in a room with a bunch of other people wallowing in your self-pity and perceived powerlessness. You will sever ties with the people who have actually loved you because their loving you purely and unconditionally brings up too many issues of guilt for you and you're driven to drink because they know what your problems are and they still love you and you know what your problems are but you can't love yourself. AA is a distraction. A ruse. Yes, you are not physically poisoning yourself, but you still are not getting psychological help.
GET OUT AS FAST AS YOU CAN AND USE YOUR POWER AND CHOOSE NOT TO DRINK!
I cannot stand going to AA, I am a suffering alcoholic but still have enough damn sense in my head it's my own frickin fault. I hate going to meetings because even if some of these people have been sober for years, the ones with long term sobriety are some of the most self involved, self serving, selfish people there are. FACT....I have known drug addicts, potheads, slobs, big mouths, a-holes are more giving and benevolent that these so called old timers.
So in summary why don't these OLD TIMERS stop trying to help others ONLY BECAUSE they are told it will help them. How fucking selfish. My question is..."what happens when it dosn't help the old timer anymore"? Do they tell the person they suposedly helping to get lost? Shit yah they will. AA is a selfish program, so selfish that even years of sobreiy an "old timer" is still incapable of giving freely without concern of self gain.
So in conclusion, get sober and stay sober HOW EVER YOU FEEL WORKS FOR YOU! And, when you do don't be a self serving selfish asshole.
My ex boyfriend is part of the AA Step cult - Sex and Love Addiction. This group is absolutely cruel to its members and if you are dating someone involved in a 12 step. RUN RUN RUN !!! The first fucked up thing is the anonymity of the group. There are all of the secret meetings, in which he can't talk about them because he has to remain anonymous. Also, phone calls in the middle of the day and night from people he can't talk about. Or meeting people out in public and not being able to tell me who they are or how he knows them. The looks that you get as his girlfriend will drive you nuts. He is supposed a sex addict, but he was terrible in the bedroom. It's amazing to me that he would go 3 times a week to these meetings for the past 10 YEARS !!! And hang out with these fucked up people who only come for a couple of meetings. In the Sex Addiction 12 Step, they are not allowed to masturbate, or watch porn. Doing so, could only trigger them into a downward slide. So, it was no surprise when he finally cheated on me. I guess that is ok. He also kept a journal, which I ended up reading at the end of our relationship. It was keeping a regular schedule of when and how often he masturbated, and how he felt terrible about it. What a weak willed man !!! The other fucked up thing about 12 step, is that unless you are involved in that cult, you can't possibly understand, and that you are an outsider. 12 steppers are fucked up people who never get in touch with themselves, or reach out to healthier people for advice or help. They are always the victim of a disease, and are living one day at a time. 12 Step is a cult !! Evil !! Non Productive !! Do Not get in a relationship with someone who is in this evil program.
AA made me believe (for a short period of time only, thank god) that I was so sick and so diseased, and that if I ever drank, that I would go through alcohol withdrawal and die and go on a year-long binge and not be able to stop. Well, that doesn't help a hypochondriac like myself.
So, of course, when i did try to cut down, I developed such horrible panic attacks that I had to keep going to the emergency room. It also became a self fulfilling prophecy and destroyed my self-confidence because i was made to believe that i was weak, a failure, POWERLESS, etc. No i am not fucking powerless. I'm not drinking right now and have really good self control.
Fuck you, AA. you put me in more debt through hospital bills than my drinking ever did. you ruined my self-confidence in myself and made me waste a year in rehab programs and your stupid cult meetings when all I had to do was just cut down.
I am 23 and most of my friends drink more than me. there was a
period where i was drinking way too much and was unlucky enough to listen to a
friend that i had a problem and that he could help. he treated me like a weak
puppy that needed to be babied because i couldn't take care of myself. Only now
am i realizing that i have my own power (WOW, NOT POWERLESS YOU FUCKS), to
control myself and be healthy and happy and not spew a bunch of nonsensical
chants and sit in a circle lamenting about how "much i love alcohol and wish i
was drinking it right now." seriously, that's what everyone in AA was always
saying. well, if you like to drink so damn much, go and have a beer for fuck's
sake. And no, one beer won't make you go into a week-long binge, contrary to
what they tell you in the meetings.
To anyone considering AA: Do not go. find a professional counselor if you think
you're drinking too much, and if that counselor suggests AA, DON'T LISTEN to
them. find another counselor.
Did i mention that they pass around a "Collection plate" and pocket the money, and make you feel guilty if you don't donate?
fuck aa
I have been in and out of AA since 1986, when I was 19 years old. Everyone preaches about their fucking god, whatever he, she, it or whatever their god may be. AA Claims to be a fellowship, but no one fucking talks to me or invites me out for a damn piece of pie, coffee, lunch, etc. Fuck you Assholes Anonymous! Yesterday, when I really needed help with staying sober, I called my sponsor and said I was struggling with sobriety, and the fucker doesn't return my phone call! I called some others on the phone list with the same fucking results! What happened to the part of the Preamble that says "Our primary purpose is to stay sober AND help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety?" AA members claim that if you sponsor yourself you are sponsoring an idiot. If my sponsor doesn't return calls, so much for sponsorship. They claim that if you don't do a 4th and a 5th step you will get drunk again. Bullshit. I know AA's who have never done a 4th and 5th step and have been sober for over 30 years. AA's claim that the only end result for an alcoholic is to be locked up, covered up, or sobered up. Well, whether a person is alcoholic or not, our end choice is always "covered up" at the end of our life. I guess besides having pictures on the wall of our cult co founders, and our cheesy slogans, there is so much more that I could rant about, but I will leave it at this.
I'm so damned angry, because I never hear from my "so-called sponsor" anymore, not for over 6 weeks now. I went on Facebook and saw that she went to California to celebrate her 1 year anniversary of being sober. She never called or e-mailed me to invite me. She's like the 5th sponsor I had!!
So, I have come to the decision that A.A. is not for me anymore. I must do this on my own. So, I have been going to church again (it's better than the meetings that's for sure), working out everyday (more active again), and doing my own thing (I can still go out without drinking).
And A.A. says "it ought never be organized". Well, at the one I was going to every afternoon, they said they are going to start using a timer so people won't take too long to talk and such! WHAT?! That's called being organized, but A.A. isn't supposed to be like that....
What a freakin' joke!!!
I was in what I thought was a normal relationship with a woman who seemed healthy to me. But she was in AA. Her sponsor told her she was becoming co-dependent in her relationship with me and forbid her to see me for thirty days. After that I criticized AA and the sponsor and soon began to receive threats and hateful feedback from other AA members that were desperate to keep my ex in their cult group. The sponsor, meanwhile has not had a relationship with a man in the ten years since she quit drinking herself, and has clearly substitued drinking with creating co-dependent relationships with the poor young women she sponsors. It appears to me to be a sick, dysfunctional, cult like group that can't stand any challenges to its faulty belief systems that all of its members are SICK and HELPLESS. No matter what your level of problem all are branded the same. It is a brainwashing cult that needs to be expunged from society.
I am angry because for 10 years I attended faithfully AA meeting, doing every thing a good AA boy does and what did I get? I will tell you - abandoned. At 10 years I realized that I, even though I tried, I had not made any real friends in AA; what I had was the same group of fair weather friends that I had when I was drinking and just like the barflies when I stopped going to AA meetings the AA"s dropped me like a stone - no inquiries about how I was doing (I did not go back to drinking), not even a call from my sponsor, a man held in great esteem by many AA's. There is a saying in AA "stick with the winners" what they don't tell you is the second half of that saying is "drop the losers like a stone" (ie. anyone who goes out drinking, denounces AA or just gets wise to the bullshit. The majority of AA's are arrogant, selfish, frightened individuals desperate to save their owe skins by preaching to the poor sots who have the unfortunate experience of walking into an AA meeting. A pox on Bill Wilson and all AA's who have followed the used the car saleman's program.
I attend AA in a mid sized metropolitan city. I have been sober a little over three years and stay active in the program. I thought I had people that cared but I feel worse than ever. I find members selling it like a timeshare and it makes me uncomfortable. My sobriety is life and it is hard. I am so lost in the program now that I have a little time. I have met some great people but I am so disconnected. I don't try to sound cool in meetings nor do I much enjoy listening to people trying to sound cool. I am burned out to say the least. The last thing I want is to be a big shot in this club or be around those that do. I am in a hard and lonely place. I have left all my friends behind and now I am with an AA community I don't enjoy. What has happened? I don't even know how to have a normal conversation with non AA people because I am speaking this weird AA language. People in the regular world find it bizarre. I was in an interview and using the cliche's. OMG how to I get deprogrammed and stay sober? I don't want to talk like this. I want to be normal and not drink. Not talk like a weirdo! Oh God help me....
one day at a time
it works if you work it
the serenity prayer
God never gives us more than we can handle
just for today
bless them,change me!
90 meetings in 90 days
keep coming back
keep it simple
No matter how far off the path you stumble, you are only 12 steps away from the solution!
I HAVE BEEN SOBER NEARLY 5 YEARS, LONGER THAN I WAS A DRUNK, WITHOUT THE HELP OF THOSE ASSHOLE PUSSY AA BITCHES!! TAKE THESE SAYINGS, YOUR FUCKING BIG BOOK, AND YOUR STUPID A2M MEETINGS AND POUND THEM UP YOUR ASSES!! I MADE IT JUST TO PISS OFF EVERY AA FAGGOT WHO TOLD ME I COULDN'T WITHOUT THE PROGRAM! AND FUCK YOU ASSHOLES CALLING IT A DISEASE. THAT'S A TOTAL COPOUT FOR WHINY BITCHES AND FAGGOTS THAT CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR THEIR OWN FUCKUPS!! EVER HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH AN AA DIE HARD DOUCHEBAG?? THEY SPEAK IN CLICHES AND SHOULD YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A DRY DRUNK! IF THERE ARE ANY AA PEOPLE READING THIS YOU SHOULD KNOW YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE LOSER AND BILL W. TOOK IT IN THE ASS!!!
I had a very serious drinking problem for about 4 years. I went to rehabs, AA meetings, and did the sponsor thing. I am sooo tired of the bullshit that AA people spew!! If you talk to someone who is in AA following a "program" all the do is talk in cliches, ready to answer any question with some ridiculous AA terminology. When you go to AA meetings all you ever hear about is the shit people did(war stories) when they were drinking.And how AA saved them!! Of course all they say when you ask them how AA saved them is that they "worked a solid program"!! AA is adamant that unless you work their program, get a sponsor, and attend meetings YOU WILL FAIL....you're a dry drunk if you get sober without doing these things.....WELL FUCK THEM!!! AS OF NOVEMBER I WILL BE SOBER(5 years) longer than I was a drunk. AND I DID IT ON MY OWN WITHOUT AA AND THEIR WHINY CULT FOLLOWERS!!!
This fucking place touts itself as a great rehab to get your life back. It only fucked mine. I had a drug problem. I quit when I was caught. Negative feedback and loss of job were all I needed. Now I'm sober without ANY of the bullshit Talbott crammed down my throat including: "you have a fatal disease", AA, higher power, etc. IT's all bullshit aimed at scaring you to death so you can "keep coming back" (and spending $$$ for it). They are profit driven and I hear business ain't so good now. I guess all the doctors forced there aren't enough to pay the bills. GOOD. Maybe the public will come to realize that 12 step bullshit just encourages more relapse. Fuck them, Fuck AA and fuck anyone who dares to tell me or anyone else how to live their lives. It is my life, my body and my time. Don't fuck with me or you'll be rehab of a different sort. Sober by choice, and I don't have a goddamn disease, you bunch of self-righteous assholes.
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I went there for about a year after people I was working with claimed how awesome it was and that I needed it to get better and change my life. I bought into all their bullshit thinking I needed to open up more at meetings, be more outgoing to find a good sponsor. They blamed everything on me saying I needed to change and be like them and made it seem like I would have a dream life if I kept going.
All I learned after a year of 30 meetings in 30 days crap, etc.was that my "sponsor" couldn't give a crap about me. She would tell me that God always takes things away when I told her I had met someone. She found every opportunity to knock me down-like a bad sales person trying to keep me coming back. She kept not answering my calls and I stopped calling. Then she tried to put a guilt trip on me and finally called me after two weeks of blowing me off. I said screw her, screw sponsors, screw the assholes in AA who did nothing but make me feel uncomfortable and like an outsider next to the long timers.
The long timers do control the meetings like a cult and if they cannot brainwash you they want nothing to do with you. What helped me was learning the lesson that these people didn't give a fuck about me and were competitive about their "sobriety". It is the same bullshit you can get in the real world. For me I realized that AA is kind of a sham and these people don't know you(even though they act like they do) and care about your success less than healthy people on the outside. Why do you have to keep going forever?
Being around these people was enough to keep me healthy enough to stay the hell away from that place!!!
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